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jmontells
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: THE BACKGROUND VOCAL PARTS..REAL OR ENHANCED? |
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Ok boys...
Is it just me, or do the background vocals and two & three part harmonies throughout this tour sound absolutely phenomenal?
Its much too perfect and perhaps even better than any previous tours to actually be Eddie and Wolfgang doing the ONLY back ups.....My friend who saw the Boston show thinks the harmony parts are taped.
This is particularly evident in songs like "YOU REALLY GOT ME" "I'M THE ONE", "BEAUTIFUL GIRLS", "DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY", "I'LL WAIT", "HOT FOR TEACHER", "LITTLE GUITARS" AND SPECIALLY "JAMIES CRYIN" C'mon....no way this is just the band on stage singing these parts.
Have they gotten that good, or are these harmonies enhanced somehow? would love to hear some opinions please
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VHLIVE
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| They are singing over some pre recorded tracks, and some songs it's them singing by themselves with some industry tricks. |
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jmontells
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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VHLIVE wrote: They are singing over some pre recorded tracks, and some songs it's them singing by themselves with some industry tricks.
How can a band keep that kind of timing in a live performance to sing over pre-recorded tracks? Besides, if you listen to multiple performances in different venues you will hear that the back up harmonies are not the same in every show. As far as industry tricks???? please elaborate.. |
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VHLIVE
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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well if it sounds like ten guys singing it probably isnt......lol
they can keep time with a click track and sequencers, just like during jump.... Alex would trigger that stuff, or even a tech at the FOH or Monitors...who knows.
Im guessing at the pre recorded tracks.....but if they were singing over them you would still hear eddie and wolfie singing live and if they sang differently that night you would still hear it.
there is some kind of vocal processing going on..harmonizers, compression....etc etc...
The ears dont lie..there is some help there vocally on some songs.
its jusst my opinion, and certainly not slagging them...you would be surprised how many bands actually have added vocals live. |
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jmontells
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| So in fact the back ups are enhanced in some way....Either way, I knew there was something going on. It just sounds to freaking good to be just Eddie and his son... |
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VOODOO
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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The backing vocals are definitely enhanced. If you read Lou's review from the second night in Philly and listen to that boot, you hear the vocals coming in too soon on the first chorus of Romeo Delight and then on the second chorus you hear them fading the recorded vocals in and out as though they're out of synch. Also, if you listen to that same show, the first four songs either Ed or Wolf are playing the wrong guitar, because they're about a half step off from each other. This is much clearer to me on the DVD of this show. Anyway, if you listen to the backing vocals, they're also a half step off. I think Ed's guitar was a half step flat on those songs and the vocals were up a half step. Maybe it was Wolf who had the wrong guitar, but either way, all four of those songs are off on guitar and backing vocals. Once Ed swithces to the black Wolf proto everything is back on track.
In other words the backing vocals were in the proper key, but with Ed's guitar being flat and the band's inability to adjust their voices naturally to compensate, the piped in vocals sound off key.
This just furthers my point that with a tour of this magnitude and with the years of experience under their belts, this kind of thing should NOT be happening. :irked: |
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jmontells
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for that... I think I'm getting a better understanding now as to why these shows are delivering some wonderful background vocals parts. ENHANCEMENT!!! |
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VHLIVE
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Voodoo, that clears up some of the questions for me as well...sounds like a mess in my opinion.
Also agree that for a Big Tour like this, mistakes like this shouldnt be happening. |
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oryo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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jmontells wrote: VHLIVE wrote: They are singing over some pre recorded tracks, and some songs it's them singing by themselves with some industry tricks.
How can a band keep that kind of timing in a live performance to sing over pre-recorded tracks? Besides, if you listen to multiple performances in different venues you will hear that the back up harmonies are not the same in every show. As far as industry tricks???? please elaborate..
How do you think Britney Spears manages to do it night after nite when she's on tour.. You think she can sing live???? Hellllllll nooooooooooooo!!! Thanks goodness for pre-recorded tracks..Ory :thumb: |
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Dutchie
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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VHLIVE wrote:
Also agree that for a Big Tour like this, mistakes like this shouldn't be happening.
There are mistakes at every live show (by every band). No matter how big or small the show. The funny thing is, if the shows were going off 100% perfectly, people would complain that the show were "too" perfect and probably accuse them off miming or something. I guess it's a no win situation.
Remember the one of Motley Crue's first performances of the 2005 tour and they triggered the backing vocals at the wrong time. How funny was that. I think it was for a TV show or something (I've got it here somewhere, but cant remember the details). |
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Dutchie
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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oryo wrote: jmontells wrote: VHLIVE wrote: They are singing over some pre recorded tracks, and some songs it's them singing by themselves with some industry tricks.
How can a band keep that kind of timing in a live performance to sing over pre-recorded tracks? Besides, if you listen to multiple performances in different venues you will hear that the back up harmonies are not the same in every show. As far as industry tricks???? please elaborate..
How do you think Britney Spears manages to do it night after nite when she's on tour.. You think she can sing live???? Hellllllll nooooooooooooo!!! Thanks goodness for pre-recorded tracks..Ory :thumb:
Exactly.. and at least Ed and Wolfie aren't going around flashing their vagina's to everyone.. :D |
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jmontells
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, now that was funny!! |
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guitard
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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VOODOO wrote: This just furthers my point that with a tour of this magnitude and with the years of experience under their belts, this kind of thing should NOT be happening.
Can you name some major bands who you know for a fact don't use some kind of enhancement/backing vocals? |
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radikal
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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guitard wrote: VOODOO wrote: This just furthers my point that with a tour of this magnitude and with the years of experience under their belts, this kind of thing should NOT be happening.
Can you name some major bands who you know for a fact don't use some kind of enhancement/backing vocals?
Milli Vanelli???? :yell: |
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SQUAREHEAD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...
They do NOT sound at all enhanced to me! They are good, but certainly no better than Mike Anthony, although Wolfy's doing an amazing job for a 16 year old! I have 6 boots so far from the tour and IF the vocals were enhanced, they would be much better than what I'm hearing! They would be perfect.
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