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[Dirq Van]

Anybody noticing this gap?

1979-05-19 The Spectrum Philadelphia, PA (Saturday)
1979-05-30 Fox Theater Atlanta, GA (Wednesday)

Does anybody has info from dates between those
Please Share!!!!

Thanks

[Deuce8Pro]

Dirq Van wrote: Im 100% sure Eddie owns every show from the 2004 Tour
He taped them all (audio), so it isnt really that strange to assume he alwayd did that

That has nothing to do with this topic. Full pro shots of them from 1980 or 1984? Come on!

[ffoner]

Once again, I ask: where did the Largo 5/1/80 65 minute, soundboard/line feed audio come from if it wasn't from a video? I'd have to dig up the link, but someone who torrented that source a few years back said that the spectral analysis was consistent with a video soundtrack.

I don't think it is naive to assume that someone has that video, especially since that Largo audio source was missing the beginning and end of the show, clipped, no doubt, to preserve the value of the full audio and/or video.

Deuce8Pro wrote: I think you got to be incredibly naive or just dumb to assume that something like a full pro shot from 1980 or 1984 is just collecting dust in someones basement or in a warehouse or something.

[Decatone]

Deuce8Pro wrote: I think you got to be incredibly naive or just dumb to assume that something like a full pro shot from 1980 or 1984 is just collecting dust in someones basement or in a warehouse or something. I think youd also have to be naive or stupid to assume that Eddie Van Halen has it. How do you know what he has? Has anyone ever asked?

Don't you actual need evidence to back up your above statement... cause the way I see it, everything regarding unreleased cvh is a complete shot in the dark, just a load of speculation. Until the day it shows up, everyone has their own take on where, what and who has it.
Unless you know different? please tell all, or post screen shots :D

[Deuce8Pro]

ffoner wrote: Once again, I ask: where did the Largo 5/1/80 65 minute, soundboard/line feed audio come from if it wasn't from a video? I'd have to dig up the link, but someone who torrented that source a few years back said that the spectral analysis was consistent with a video soundtrack.

I don't think it is naive to assume that someone has that video, especially since that Largo audio source was missing the beginning and end of the show, clipped, no doubt, to preserve the value of the full audio and/or video.

Deuce8Pro wrote: I think you got to be incredibly naive or just dumb to assume that something like a full pro shot from 1980 or 1984 is just collecting dust in someones basement or in a warehouse or something.

You are assuming theres a Largo 80 video because there is a Largo 82 video. Truth is, there are many soundboards of all kinds of bands (Van halen, Kiss, Zeppelin, etc). That doesnt mean a video exists of any of those soundboards. Its speculation. Theres also something ive commented on here in the past this whole attitude that someone is "hoarding" something that really bugs me. I think you and I are very lucky to have what we have already. But dont give yourself false hopes more exist. Be smart.

[ffoner]

Unfortunately, Springsteen site (brucevideos.com) that had the article about the Largo videos is down. The article, which was written by a guy who knew the Cap. Centre employee who was taping those shows off the closed circut system with a VCR or beta system, *specifically* mentioned Van Halen, Heart, and Springsteen as some of the acts that were taped. The Springsteen and Heart videos circulate. That doesn't mean that the VH video from 1980 exists, but I'd say that is more than just an "assumption" to think so because: 1. The ONLY soundboard audio from that tour is from the Largo show. 2. Other videos from Largo during that time period do exist. 3. The guy who wrote that article specifically said that VH was taped by this guy.

The hoarding issue is a whole different ball of wax, really, but the bottom line is that people are holding back CVH stuff for whatever reason. It's a fact.

Deuce8Pro wrote: ffoner wrote: Once again, I ask: where did the Largo 5/1/80 65 minute, soundboard/line feed audio come from if it wasn't from a video? I'd have to dig up the link, but someone who torrented that source a few years back said that the spectral analysis was consistent with a video soundtrack.

I don't think it is naive to assume that someone has that video, especially since that Largo audio source was missing the beginning and end of the show, clipped, no doubt, to preserve the value of the full audio and/or video.

Deuce8Pro wrote: I think you got to be incredibly naive or just dumb to assume that something like a full pro shot from 1980 or 1984 is just collecting dust in someones basement or in a warehouse or something.

You are assuming theres a Largo 80 video because there is a Largo 82 video. Truth is, there are many soundboards of all kinds of bands (Van halen, Kiss, Zeppelin, etc). That doesnt mean a video exists of any of those soundboards. Its speculation. Theres also something ive commented on here in the past this whole attitude that someone is "hoarding" something that really bugs me. I think you and I are very lucky to have what we have already. But dont give yourself false hopes more exist. Be smart.

[ffoner]

Some similar info to what was in the Springsteen article is here:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.artists.springsteen/browse_thread/thread/ae5c81f5d0e76c37/f7fd4c0ac94b0e62?hl=en&lnk=st&q=LANDOVER+SPRINGSTEEN+VIDEO+1980#f7fd4c0ac94b0e62

I'll quote a bit of it so it will exist in this thread:

<<These videos are the famous two Maryland Landover shows from
>1978 and 1980.Both are proshots.

>Does anyone know anything about the origin of these tapes ??

They are bootlegged. The Capitol Center (now called the "USAIR
Arena" ... ugh) has an in-house video system. When turned on, it allows
folks in the hall to see the stage action on a big-screen TV suspended from
the rafters. It also provides a video feed into the skyboxes and other,
private rooms inside the Center.

Apparently some enterprising souls brought VCRs into one of the skyboxes at
the Cap Center, hooked them up to the video feed, and recorded the shows.
The 8-15-78 tape has both professional audio and video. The 11-24-80 video
has only professional video. Word is that by 1980, the Springsteen
organization had become concerned with audio bootlegging and asked that the
sound feed be shut off. The taper supposedly compensated by getting sound
via a mike hung from the rafters, making the sound track effectively an
audience tape. (FWIW, I've heard there is an audience recording of 11-24-80
superior to the soundtrack of the video. Theoretically, one could sync the
superior audio tape with the pro-shot video, and create a better sounding
video.)>>

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<<I can answer this. I was not only at both of those shows, but I was part
of a traveling show that played that building, and so know something about
how it works.

The videos were not created by anyone associated with Bruce, nor were they
ever broadcast (to my knowledge), nor are they commercially available.
They do give the appearance of being a professional shoot in that they are
multi-camera with occassionally fancy editing, going from very long shots
to tight close-ups on faces, dissolves, etc., etc.

This building (then known as Capitol Center, since renamed something
corporate) has its own camera system. There is a giant cube hanging over
the middle of the audience with screens on all four faces. During a show,
they have three or four people shooting, and someone in a control room is
mixing & editing on the fly, projecting the results onto those screens.
This was not intended as a way of making a permanent record of the show,
but as something to give the audience a close-up of the action. Though,
thankfully, somewhere a VCR was running.

CapCenter was built as a sports palace and rock shows were considered
insignificant (by the staff), something to fill in empty slots on the
schedule between games. The film crews were used to shooting hockey games
and the like. When I was there as a part of a show, I was allowed to run
those controls, do the mixing & choose which shots would be projected.

I'm fairly certain that the building crew didn't think much of Bruce or
the show. To them it was just a job, and a boring one as they put in
their time until the next sports show. I'm also fairly certain that Bruce
and his people had no say or control in this system at all. Halfway
through the 78 show you can see Bruce mugging for the camera. He seems
surprised about it--the screen facing the stage was turned off, so he
probably wasn't aware of it at first.

The 78 show has a big break. The video stops halfway through Jungleland &
picks up much later. Many have asked if the complete version exists. It
may, but I doubt it. It is much more likely that the guy running the
controls just got bored & shut it down for a while to go to the bathroom
or grab a beer or something.

Obviously someone associated with CapCenter got a copy of the tapes into
circulation. As they did this with all their shows, I wonder what other
treasures exist in their archives?

At any rate, these videos are definitely unique and valuable documents.
Highly recommended if you can get a low-gen copy.

eyebrown >>

[Ford Fairlane]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for any of the VH Largo shows, but it stands to reason they were recorded by this guy.
He recorded shows by a wide variety of bands (Brothers Johnson, Rick James, Springsteen, etc), so I would tend to believe he recorded every show he was able to.
As ffoner said, I think the strongest argument for the '80 video is the analysis where the audio recording showed signs of a video source (for the life of me I can't remember who said it either, but I seem to recall it was someone with a pretty good knowledge of audio/video).
Much like Auburn Hills in the early 90s, I'm sure there's more shows recorded in Largo than we've seen, but who knows who/what they are.

[atomicpunk5151]

Wasn't Brad Starks name connected to the Largo 80 video a few years back?

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Also I won't speak on his behalf, but Fletch has mentioned seeing a proshot 84 video several times over the years on this site. True? maybe or maybe not?

[mr_mojo_halen]

I think Largo 1980 is more likely to exist than Oklahoma City 2008. :p

[asdfanofpriest]

atomicpunk5151 wrote: Also I won't speak on his behalf, but Fletch has mentioned seeing a proshot 84 video several times over the years on this site. True? maybe or maybe not?

The one he was mentioning was Largo 84. I talked briefly in PM with him about it...

Basically, He knows someone with a very good copy (maybe as low as a 1st gen?) of Largo 84, how they got it, I don't know. They wont let him get a copy because they know he is part of BTB...

Thats a shame, that he couldn't get a copy - but at least we know that there are quality copies of Largo 84 floating around... hopefully someday they will make it into the right hands... :dance:

[ffoner]

Someone help me with this - during the audio of the slideshow of either the Rape of The Vaults disc or the Lost Weekend DVD, you can hear a live version of 1984. On it, Roth says something like "let me see the lights Maryland" or something similar. It is a soundboard recording. What does that suggest?

[mr_mojo_halen]

ffoner wrote: Someone help me with this - during the audio of the slideshow of either the Rape of The Vaults disc or the Lost Weekend DVD, you can hear a live version of 1984. On it, Roth says something like "let me see the lights Maryland" or something similar. It is a soundboard recording. What does that suggest?

I noticed this also. I think LOU confirmed this awhile back.