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[Anonymous]

:furious:

About one month ago i posted on this forum for some dvd-r tradings. I got two deals, one of which with this guy Michael Davis, whose nickname is Dokkendude. I didn' t get the 10 dvds he owes to me!!!
I’ d never done if unnecessary, but because of continuous problems lately in receiving ordinary parcels for some unknown reason, i stated in advance the condition of the registered shipment, in order to have tracking numbers and avoid them to get lost.

This is what Michael wrote, in order to finalize our trade:
Michael Davis: “registered mail is no problem. tracking numbers works for me�

This is the excuse (maybe a lie) he used to to avoid the more expensive registered shipment…
Michael Davis: “the wife went to the post office and forgot she was supposed to send with tracking numbers�

After my complains, due to the fact that he hadn’ t respected the rules we stated, and that his ordinary parcel would have been probably got lost (as it did happen for real...), Michael assured:
Michael Davis: “ hey if it doesn't arrive there I have no problems resending
just because my wife messed up is no reason to think I am a bad trader
if it doesn't show up it will be redone
no questions asked�

and he furtherly promised later:
Michael Davis: “as for your package if it has not reached you by monday (may 1st) then I'll re-rip & burn everything & re-send�.

In the meanwhile he regularly got my parcel (everyone can verify by tracking it on Usps website: RR026272920IT), but after having said “if it doesn't show up it will be redone
no questions asked�, Michael betrayed his own words and started an inquiry with USPS. Even though highly welcome to me, as it might help to understand why ordinary parcels do not arrive here anymore, i tried to make him understand that i can’ t suffer a further undefined delay for an investigation which could’ t demonstrate that much, as there’ s no tracking number and the proof of the signature at delivery. This inquiry could only allow a refund for him on postal fees, but wouldn’ t help me to get the dvds he owes to me. Having the mistake been made by his wife, he should have fixed it by immediately resending the parcel, as promised. Any further delay would have been charged on me.
This is what Michael declared, undercovering the lies he had been telling before: “sorry nothing is happening till I get results from USPS investigation: (no questions asked…ah,ah,ah…)
the problem I think is your honesty in saying you recieved the package�.

Besides proving to be a liar, Michael Davis had even the nonsense to doubt about my honesty after regularly getting my dvds in his hands!!! I never received his parcel, so i think his own honesty should be reasonably doubted about….

Funny thing I had similar similar problems with the other trader too (people out there would better mail parcels by themselves and leave their wives home…). I didn’ t get his ordinary parcel as well…But this guy did the right thing, and sent the stuff again by registered mail.
Quite interesting what he wrote: "I could be a real dick if you wrote me back and said you didn't get them and I say there is no proof that you didn't get them and I'm not sending them to you."

This is how this guy defines a behaviour just like Michael’ s actual one!!! He’ s no more replying to my e-mails, and this confirms there’s no arguments left by his side…

So if you plan to set a trade with Michael Davis – Dokkendude, you’ d better consider what kind of person you’ re going to deal with…A liar who tries to turn reality upside down by distrusting honest traders!!!
He’ s not worth posting on this forum. I was new at Vhtrading, but the actual results of my trading post are:

dvds sent away : 25
income dvds: = (hopefully will get the registered parcel the other trader sent again…)

So i guess i won’ t post here anymore, just because of some unfair …. “traders� like Michael Davis.
Watch out and avoid him carefully!!!
Alessandro

[dokkendude]

listen bud if you hadn't started off by insulting my wife
I might not have even bothered having the USPS do an investigation
the receit from the post office indicating your package to italy:



the email from USPS

Recently you requested personal assistance from the United States
Postal Service. Please see below for our response.


Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

Subject
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I sent a package to Italy & have the customs label #. The guy says he never r...


Discussion Thread
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Response (Perry) - 05/02/2005 01:20 PM
Michael,

Thank you for visiting our website regarding your item sent to Italy.

Apologies, tracking is exclusive to (Global) Express Mail products only. We suggest the sender complete Form 542, Inquiry About a Registered Article or an Insured Parcel or an Ordinary Article. This is prerequisite to a claim for insured items. Form 542 can be filed 7 days from mailing for Airmail products, 30 days for Economy. The sender will be contacted when information becomes available. Form 542 can be obtained at any Post Office. If no response, we suggest filing a claim within 90 days from mailing.

If I can be of service in the future, please don't hesitate to contact me. Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.

Perry

Customer (Michael Davis) - 05/02/2005 10:13 AM
I sent a package to Italy & have the customs label #. The guy says he never recieved it.

is their any way to know for sure if he did or did not?

Thanks In Advance
Michael


Question Reference #050502-000608
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Topic: International Mailing & Shipping
Sub-Topic: Airmail Letter Post
Date Created: 05/02/2005 10:13 AM
Last Updated: 05/02/2005 01:20 PM
ZIP Code: 46405
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USPS.com Username:
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Order Date:
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Comment Type: General Inquiry

I have never had a package mysteriously get lost
and with your A1 attitude yes I will wait for the USPS to do their investigation
if you hadn't been such an asshole I might not have minded resending

and if the other trader would like to step forward and post his comments feel free

and yes I question your honesty 2 trades with ppl here and both packages got lost?
incredible coinsidence? doubtful

[Anonymous]

First: please quote my “insults� (???) to your wife for everyone to judge….

Second: i’ m not a postal employee, so i’ ve got no earning in asking for a registered shipment if unnecessary. Repeated losses made it necessary, so there’ s really no surprise if this happened to both your ordinary parcels…
What kind of interest might i have in denying i got them? Just to have an useless extra copy of the same discs? Or for the sadist pleasure of punishing you for your mistake? Please, don’ t be ridicolous….

Third: you clearly asked to USPS if there’ s some means to verify if i got your parcel or not (and not simply to know the reasons for a delay in delivery…) This is the “true� insult, doubting of a guy after he proved you his honesty with facts. So you trust in USPS but not in me despite having regularly got my dvds….Trading is a matter of reciprocal trust, my friend, and this confirms you’ re not a fair trader….

Go on with your inquiry, as i’ ve got nothing to hide…But i can’ t wait for USPS to verify what they can’ t (because of your faulty shipping method). I want the dvds you owe to me, and want them NOW!!!


Alessandro

PS: about insults: thanks for the “asshole�….you’ re very polite…

[junglerot]

People around here know what to expect when they set up a trade with Dok. A trustworthy trader. :thumb:

Family is much more important that any hobby. Why would you insult someone for a mistake.

[TUNESMITH]

not to stick my nose in here, but mail to italy takes about 4-6 weeks from the trades ive done.
if you want trades to happen faster for you stcik to your country, if not youll just have to wait till it gets there.
by simply reading the reciept, you can see it was mailed
when you get his dvds, i suggest you post an apology

this forum is for traders to avoid, and since he clearly sent your stuff, i think this does not qualify.
PATIENCE!!!

[Anonymous]

One more thing: i’ ve dealt with two traders: they both promised a registered shipment and both sent their wives to the post office. And their wives both mailed ordinary by mistake. This is an even more incredible coincidence…The other trader admitted registered was too expensive, but at last he proved to be honest by affording it in order to fix the initial mistake....

[Anonymous]

TUNESMITH wrote: not to stick my nose in here, but mail to italy takes about 4-6 weeks from the trades ive done.
if you want trades to happen faster for you stcik to your country, if not youll just have to wait till it gets there.
by simply reading the reciept, you can see it was mailed
when you get his dvds, i suggest you post an apology

this forum is for traders to avoid, and since he clearly sent your stuff, i think this does not qualify.
PATIENCE!!!

I don't know what they do in Hawaii but international mail from my neck of the woods in the US is 4-7 days. There is a 4-6 week option for those who want to save about $2 and make the other person wait like crazy, but I've always chosen the 4-7 day airmail option, and other than in France when they had a postal strike a few months ago, my mail has consistently gotten to England, Germany, France when they weren't on strike, Australia, Italy, the Netherlands, etc. in 4-7 days.

[TUNESMITH]

lou, hawaii is a part of the usa. same prices and same time, any other questions?

[nunobaker]

TUNESMITH wrote: lou, hawaii is a part of the usa.

When did this happen? :D

[Anonymous]

TUNESMITH wrote: lou, hawaii is a part of the usa. same prices and same time, any other questions?

Yeah no kidding, that was why I'm pretty incredulous as to why you can't send your packages in 4-7 days.

[guitard]

alex wrote: One more thing: i’ve dealt with two traders: they both promised a registered shipment and both sent their wives to the post office. Didn't you read the FAQ?

It clearly states that all efforts should be made to send wives to the post office for all outgoing packages.

The only exception is when they've reached their eighth month of pregnancy.

Randy

[Anonymous]

TUNESMITH wrote: not to stick my nose in here, but mail to italy takes about 4-6 weeks from the trades ive done.
if you want trades to happen faster for you stcik to your country, if not youll just have to wait till it gets there.
by simply reading the reciept, you can see it was mailed
when you get his dvds, i suggest you post an apology

this forum is for traders to avoid, and since he clearly sent your stuff, i think this does not qualify.
PATIENCE!!!


If i was as suspicious as Michael proved to be towards me, i might even think that the receipt he posted would concern another trade…. But this is not the point. Never doubted he really mailed a parcel to me. If he told me in advance he wouldn’ t afford registered mail i could give the trade up and save my time and money. Considering my situation, by not sending registered to me, he was aware he was using an highly risky shipping method, so now he must face the sad reality and repair the mistake made by himself or his wife (by the way, where are my…offensive “insults� to her???).
Registered parcels from US use to arrive here within 10/15 days. I’ ve been expecting three weeks before posting what’ s happened. In both cases I’ ll let update the situation on this board after 6 weeks have passed.
As for apologizes, the proven lies on re-sending just after monday 2nd of may “NO QUESTIONS ASKED� and the ugly proven offense to my honesty even after having got my parcel (plus his total lack of replies to my emails during the last week) would remain, even if Michael finally sends again the dvds he owes to me. As he contacted me for this trade, I could have used the same rule featured on his website and request him to send first. But trading shouldn’ t be set on suspect… Trading is a matter of honesty and reciprocal trust, and owning a website doesn’ t make people more reliable than others…
Peace.

[TUNESMITH]

Lou wrote: TUNESMITH wrote: lou, hawaii is a part of the usa. same prices and same time, any other questions?

Yeah no kidding, that was why I'm pretty incredulous as to why you can't send your packages in 4-7 days.

you wanna start some shit with me now, fine...

let me tell you what right now asshole, since when has my sending on time ever come up? here or anywhere, thats right tell me where and when, if you cant, better shut the fuck up, dont let your battleship mouth sink your rowboat ass.
exactly where in the thread did it say i couldnt send on time, go make up shit some where else...


as far as being "pretty incredulous", they have very good doctors these days, im sure they can fix that, couple of nicks and tucks and ill bet youll be looking like a million bucks in no time :p

[Anonymous]

I must say there is a new scam going round in Euro countries especially
They request sending registered when that doesnt happen they get the package then claim they didnt as theirs no proof as it was not sent registered as requested--So the trade is off!!
Not saying this happened here but it happens,I know as im in Europe Its easier to send to USA but Canada is different again!

[guitard]

TUNESMITH wrote: Don't let your battleship mouth sink your rowboat ass. THAT is a great one liner!!!

Did you think of this one yourself? First I ever heard it.

Randy