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id='q-60102'><p><a
href="http://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-1984-tour/" rel="nofollow">http://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-1984-tour/</a></p><p>35 YEARS AGO: REVISITING VAN HALEN&#8217;S ILL-FATED &#8217;1984&#8242; TOUR<br
/> MARTIN KIELTY<br
/> January 22, 2019</p><p>On paper and in the bank, Van Halen had everything going for them as their<br
/> 1984 Tour commenced.</p><p>The band&#8217;s sixth album, also titled 1984, had just been released, and lead<br
/> track &#8220;Jump&#8221; was five weeks away from becoming their first No. 1 single.<br
/> New deals cut by manager Noel Monk meant Van Halen were finally making<br
/> real money from their world-class success, and they&#8217;re recently set a<br
/> show-fee record after being paid $1.5 million for their appearance at the<br
/> U.S. Festival.</p><p>The group had everything to play for &#8212; only some of the members didn&#8217;t<br
/> see it that way. Things hadn&#8217;t been good behind the scenes for some time.<br
/> It&#8217;s possible they&#8217;d never been good, as a result of what frontman David<br
/> Lee Roth once referred to as the members&#8217; &#8220;immigrant energy,&#8221; which he<br
/> believed was a result of family histories that left them as &#8220;desperate<br
/> people seeking desperate fortune &#8212; with a smile.&#8221;</p><p>The catalyst that forced the rollercoaster off the rails may have been<br
/> their 1983 cover of &#8220;Dancing in the Street,&#8221; which, despite its success,<br
/> represented a battle of wills between Roth and Eddie Van Halen. The<br
/> guitarist wanted his synth riff to become a Peter Gabriel kind of song,<br
/> but was coerced into allowing it to be used as the cover version. After<br
/> losing that fight, Eddie determined to never lose another, and moved the<br
/> band towards pop-rock and away from hard rock, as demonstrated with the<br
/> groundbreaking &#8220;Jump&#8221; &#8212; a track Van Halen said no one originally wanted<br
/> to record.</p><p>Sensing his loss of control, Roth began talking up his plans to pursue a<br
/> solo career, suggesting that if Van Halen&#8217;s music no longer suited him, he<br
/> didn&#8217;t need to front it. &#8220;I&#8217;ve always been a showoff,&#8221; he said during the<br
/> tour. &#8220;But I&#8217;ve also always had something to say. I will express myself<br
/> through other avenues. Just so long as I&#8217;m famous; so long as the<br
/> spotlight&#8217;s on Dave.&#8221;</p><p>From behind the drumkit, the perspective seems to have been a little<br
/> clearer for Alex Van Halen &#8212; although that didn&#8217;t mean he could do<br
/> anything about it. &#8220;We were in the middle of this thing and it was getting<br
/> bigger and bigger,&#8221; he said later. &#8220;Individually, we were so far apart<br
/> that it was like night and day. We were never together, although it looked<br
/> like we were from the public&#8217;s standpoint. That&#8217;s why in 1984, it was very<br
/> natural for it to fall apart. We saw it coming, even though when it<br
/> actually materialized it was a surprise.&#8221;</p><p>Of course, it didn&#8217;t happen overnight. The band set about planning the<br
/> 101-date North American road trip with all the rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll attitude they<br
/> could muster. &#8220;Our live show for the 1984 tour just could not get any<br
/> bigger,&#8221; Eddie recalled, &#8220;but it was so over the top that we never made<br
/> any money from it. We had 18 trucks hauling the stage and equipment. That<br
/> was unheard of. The standard lighting rig had 500 to 700 lights, and we<br
/> had over 2,000. We could never have topped that. &#8230; Great memories.&#8221;</p><p>Bassist Michael Anthony recalled the fun and energy of the first tour stop<br
/> on Jan. 18 at the Coliseum in Jacksonville, Fla. &#8220;[W]e were doing &#8216;Running<br
/> With the Devil&#8217; and I went into a squat during the number while Dave<br
/> flipped over my back. &#8230; I realized my pants ripped from front to back,<br
/> and there I was, left playing the rest of the number hunched over. When it<br
/> was over, Dave went into his rap, which gave me a chance to run into the<br
/> quick-change booth onstage to change.&#8221;</p><p>The good feeling wasn&#8217;t to last. Perhaps the success of &#8220;Jump&#8221; had an<br
/> increasingly negative impact on Roth; and perhaps his comments about going<br
/> solo did the same to Van Halen. &#8220;We accused each other of betrayal and<br
/> thievery and lies and treachery,&#8221; the frontman said later. &#8220;And it was all<br
/> true. We were all guilty.&#8221;</p><p>Monk pointed out the single event he believes shook Van Halen&#8217;s<br
/> foundations apart, while also demonstrating the naivety of its leading<br
/> members. In his 2017 book Runnin&#8217; With the Devil: A Backstage Pass Into<br
/> the Wild Times, Loud Rock and the Down and Dirty Truth Behind the Making<br
/> of Van Halen, he detailed how Anthony was trapped in no man&#8217;s land after<br
/> the battle lines had been drawn.</p><p>Roth had personal power as lead singer, and the Van Halen brothers had<br
/> each other, so the bassist stood alone &#8212; and Monk says that&#8217;s why, midway<br
/> through the tour, he was forced to renounce his equal partnership in the<br
/> band, and accept a backdated loss of songwriting royalties. &#8220;In all my<br
/> years in the business, it was the most disgusting thing I ever saw,&#8221; Monk<br
/> said. &#8220;They didn&#8217;t just cut him out; they did it in the middle of one of<br
/> their biggest records. He was the nicest guy in the world and they didn&#8217;t<br
/> even let him get the benefit of that album. He lost millions. MILLIONS. My<br
/> stomach turned flips.&#8221;</p><p>Incredibly, Anthony remained on the road, and indeed remained in the band<br
/> until he was dismissed in favor of Eddie&#8217;s then-teenage son Wolfgang in<br
/> 2006. Yet, there&#8217;s no doubt that backstage relations soured &#8212; and Monk&#8217;s<br
/> own tenure was to end following the road trip&#8217;s completion with five<br
/> appearances across Europe on the Monsters of Rock touring festival. By<br
/> then, the situation onstage wasn&#8217;t as much fun anymore either. &#8220;[T]he<br
/> tension level started to rise,&#8221; Anthony recalled. &#8220;[Roth would] do<br
/> something to piss off a male fan, and then he&#8217;d say, &#8216;Hey buddy, after the<br
/> show I&#8217;m going to fuck your girl,&#8217; and point right at them. And boy,<br
/> sometimes some guys would get heated up for that. &#8230;  Some nights you<br
/> want to just laugh, and other nights you want to go, &#8216;Oh, I don&#8217;t want to<br
/> stand near this.&#8217;&#8221;</p><p>The Van Halen story, of course, wound on and on. Roth was replaced by<br
/> Sammy Hagar, who was replaced by Roth, who was replaced by Gary Cherone,<br
/> who was replaced by Hagar, who was replaced by Roth. Monk hasn&#8217;t spoken to<br
/> his former colleagues since they terminated his 30-day rolling contract in<br
/> what he called a &#8220;greedy&#8221; bid to &#8220;get 20 percent more&#8221; &#8212; but with the<br
/> distance of time he can look back fondly.</p><p>&#8220;If you take away Eddie, Dave is not Van Halen. If you take away Dave,<br
/> Eddie is not Van Halen,&#8221; Monk said. &#8220;We drove on buses for thousands of<br
/> miles; you can&#8217;t do that and not get along. I loved Eddie. He was my<br
/> closest relationship in the band. He was incredibly naive, but he was<br
/> brilliant.&#8221;<br
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