VH 1978-08-06 Oklahoma Jam (remaster)

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September 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm Quote #38835

mrmojohalen
(5435)

ron: Comparing this to the lossless 1st gen recording released in late 2004 is difficult.Hard to tell what has been changed because the recording is lossy, verses what has been changed because of the remastering.The 2004 release is a lot more “airy”.

I would compare it to, let’s say one of the latest Led Zep album remasters at a 128k bit rate. You can appreciate the overall “fullness’ of the remastering process, except that in a lossy format, the overall sound quality cannot be fully realized & appreciated, which may defeat the whole process for those who are used to a lossless format.


When you turn on your stereo, does it return the favor?


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September 17, 2014 at 12:33 am Quote #38839

steecoe
(1953)

I wonder if there’s any chance of this being shared in a lossless format….?


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September 17, 2014 at 11:27 am Quote #38846

single-8
(218)

steecoe: I wonder if there’s any chance of this being shared in a lossless format….?

so what is the FOC ?


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September 17, 2014 at 12:07 pm Quote #38847

guitard
(7354)

single-8:

so what is the FOC ?


1536 bit wave file is pretty much the standard for lossless audio formats – it’s what you find on a music CD.


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September 17, 2014 at 12:22 pm Quote #38849

single-8
(218)

guitard: 1536 bit wave file is pretty much the standard for lossless audio formats – it’s what you find on a music CD.

I’ll have to do some SBS comp and see if its worth the hassle..after all Im giving shit away..there’s a big difference between 1 7/8 IPS cassettes vs 15 or 30 ips 2″ 16 or 24 track so using a zeppelin RM to compare is like comparing a happy meal to S&L ….Ive used all of the consumer/prosumer digital formats and the only one that comes close is DAT, all the others are inferior..(Looking at the audio waveforms on a timeline)..I can read the waveform just like troubleshooting electronics with an oscilliscope..its basically the same thing
S8S


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September 17, 2014 at 1:35 pm Quote #38850

guitard
(7354)

That’s mostly all Greek to me Rob. You asked what’s the format of choice, and as I said, it’s 1536 bit .wav file. It’s pretty much the only format used by serious fans of live audio recordings. Casual fans tend not to care – meaning .mp3 is fine for them. But the people at this site are almost all of the “serious” variety.

Whatever you provide is gratefully appreciated and no one is going to complain if the format isn’t exactly what they are used to. Beggers can’t be choosers as the old saying goes.


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September 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm Quote #38851

voodoo
(1876)

I think the general consensus is that, if these shows are out there in their purest form and cleanest format, they can be preserved in the highest possible quality and shared that way as well. I agree that not everyone asking is necessarily “complaining” about the format quality, but rather inquiring as to whether or not you’ll be providing a lossless copy of the show at some point down the road. I think I speak for 99% of the members here that we always appreciate when other members share quality recordings, regardless of the format.


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September 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm Quote #38853

mrmojohalen
(5435)

Rob – I wasn’t comparing one of the new Led Zep releases to your VH – OK City recording. I was comparing it to itself. The Led Zep CD sounds better than an mp3 version of it. That can be said for any recording out there – official release, live cassette recording, etc. That’s not to say that some mp3s won’t sound good. Your VH – OK City mp3 might be an exception. But I think you know that your WAV files are superior sound wise, just as your DAT files sound superior to your WAV files. Regardless of whether you choose to share your WAV version of the show, you will always have a better version in your DAT files that you will have just for yourself.


When you turn on your stereo, does it return the favor?


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September 17, 2014 at 9:02 pm Quote #38857

mikeyV
(335)

yeah, its all greek……….I just wanna say thanks for taking the time and effort in enhancing a highly generated, classic show. It was nice to hear…
Thanks
MikeyV


The Ultimate in Van Halen Vinyl

Proud Member Since the First Year– Both VHTrading and the Band


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September 18, 2014 at 2:56 am Quote #38860

steecoe
(1953)

Original master tape>dat>wav would be ideal. Most shows offeredup in lossless format for online trading are then converted to flac which retains the integrity of the music file while trimming the non-music flab off of the file to make them slightly smaller for upload/download. I think for most purists full cd format is a good standard. Taking the time to archive & preserve the original recording to DAT is awesome! Downgrading to share seems to me like an extra step & takes some of the shine off of such a wonderful recording. That to me would be like taking the HD remastered films and bumping them down to VHS for sharing.
Don’t get me wrong, as a fellow taper I fully understand that they are your recordings to do with what you please, but most of us here appreciate the effort of getting a recording in all of its full glory :) I wish that I was in a postion to take you up on your earlier offer to to help share those recordings that you have on DAT. I feel guilty that I don’t have the time that I once did for this hobby but with 4 kids (7, 5, 3 year olds & a 7 month old) I really can’t accomplish much for the next 10 years!!
Thanks for sharing what you have!!!


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September 18, 2014 at 3:30 am Quote #38863

steecoe
(1953)

single-8: I’ll have to do some SBS comp and see if its worth the hassle..after all Im giving shit away..there’s a big difference between 1 7/8 IPS cassettes vs 15 or 30 ips 2″ 16 or 24 track so using a zeppelin RM to compare is like comparing a happy meal to S&L ….Ive used all of the consumer/prosumer digital formats and the only one that comes close is DAT, all the others are inferior..(Looking at the audio waveforms on a timeline)..I can read the waveform just like troubleshooting electronics with an oscilliscope..its basically the same thing S8S

I get what you are saying. Compare the cassette>DAT waveform to the waveform of the .m4a file of the same recording & you will see. :wink:


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September 18, 2014 at 12:34 pm Quote #38868

guitard
(7354)

steecoe:

with 4 kids (7, 5, 3 year olds & a 7 month old)


Looks like you took a five month break after #3 and messed up the “every other year” pattern.


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September 18, 2014 at 1:09 pm Quote #38869

eruption1962
(1359)

guitard: Looks like you took a five month break after #3 and messed up the “every other year” pattern.

Not if the 7 month old turns 1 before the 3 year old turns 4 :D


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September 18, 2014 at 2:01 pm Quote #38872

frankm
(4738)

steecoe: 4 kids (7, 5, 3 year olds & a 7 month old)

DAMN, I feel old, I remember when you didn’t even have kids! I remember trading DATs with you back in the 90s!


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September 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm Quote #38873

frankm
(4738)

single-8: amazing how clear this is after 36 years..sounds as good as it ever did,here is a linkhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/d8a8v12kfz78nt2/VanHalen%208.6.78.JVC.FW.m4a?dl=0

Thank you for sharing


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