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id='q-14825'><p>You can help make Version 3 of The Van Halen Encyclopedia a reality:<br
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id='q-14843'><p>Is he actually serious with the $25,000 funding target? Looking at what he needs the funds for (very vague at best) there is no way he needs that amount. It is extremely excessive.<br
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id="quote-reply-14843" style="display: none;">mcs5150</span><a
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id='q-14845'><p><a
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/> <em>Van Halen Encyclopedia Print Edition Kickstarter<br
/> June 3, 2012</p><p>I&#8217;ve put a project up on Kickstarter for a third print edition of the Van Halen Encyclopedia. Kickstarter is a service where those who support a project can pledge to suport the project in advance. This is a more formal version of how the first edition came about; hundreds of members of the VHML placing advance orders to support the initial printing.</p><p>So, if you want to see a new edition of the book, <a
href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1304153277/the-van-halen-encyclopedia">pledge what you can</a>.</p><p>The project&#8217;s page also features my first attempt at iMovie&#8230;worth the price of admission alone for the laughs.<br
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id='q-14855'><p>Why not just get a publisher? There has to be a publisher that would want to put this into print&#8230;.<br
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/> Why not just get a publisher? There has to be a publisher that would want to put this into print….</p></blockquote><p>One reason is that publishers generally do not like large books from authors unless they have a proven track record. CJ Chilvers suggest the book could be around  350-400 pages. That is quite large for many books today. Also, bookshops prefer smaller books as they can stock more books. Self-publishing for a book like this would likely result in increased profits (if a publisher released such a book the author would likely get 15-20% of the selling price). Indeed, I think he could make a very nice profit on the book. However, I have no idea why he has set the funding target at $25,000.</p><p>Ron do you happen to know why Chilvers has set such a high target?</p><hr
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id="quote-reply-14879" style="display: none;">mcs5150</span><a
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id='q-14880'><p>I&#8217;m kind of confused on this myself&#8230;..I have no problem contributing 50 bucks for this, but 25k? Hopefully, there&#8217;s a lot of hardcore VH fans out there to make this happen&#8230;.. <img
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id="quote-reply-14880" style="display: none;">Wes</span><a
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id='q-14893'><p>MCS, fair points, although Chivers can certainly point all over the internet to the book&#8217;s popularity, so I do think he could make the case to a publisher that the book would have a market.</p><p>If it&#8217;s profit we&#8217;re talking about his own personal profit though, what&#8217;s with the 25k funding? Is a donation to him just so he can profit?</p><p>I don&#8217;t mean to sound harsh. I know CJ&#8217;s a good guy. I&#8217;m just a bit puzzled by the 25k funding for a self-published book. Why not just sell it for 4.99 via Kindle? Or use one of the print-to-order vanity presses, which would mean that as someone ordered the paper-version, one would just be printed and sent to them after they paid&#8230;.<br
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/> MCS, fair points, although Chivers can certainly point all over the internet to the book’s popularity, so I do think he could make the case to a publisher that the book would have a market.</p><p>If it’s profit we’re talking about his own personal profit though, what’s with the 25k funding? Is a donation to him just so he can profit?</p><p>I don’t mean to sound harsh. I know CJ’s a good guy. I’m just a bit puzzled by the 25k funding for a self-published book. Why not just sell it for 4.99 via Kindle? Or use one of the print-to-order vanity presses, which would mean that as someone ordered the paper-version, one would just be printed and sent to them after they paid….</p></blockquote><p>As you note, he could sell it on the kindle etc for a reasonably low price and make a very good profit. The 25k figure probably annoys me more than it should, but I would love a third edition. However, unless there are quite a few rich VH fans who are clamoring for a third edition I cannot see how that figure would be reached.</p><p>He states &#8220;For a book like this, there&#8217;s a few big expenses: the materials for a high quality book (cloth hardcover and thick bright paper for easy reading), a design that makes it worth keeping around on your shelf for years to come and the amount of time devoted to incorporating 11 years worth of updates.&#8221; He goes on to add &#8220;The last hardcover edition came in at around just over 320 pages. This time it might be 350-400. The number of additions to make is gigantic and the interest in the book, for such an undertaking to be successful, needs to be equally gigantic to make it happen.&#8221; Printing costs while high, are not that expensive (I have had stuff professional bound as well as having a book published). In addition, there is no other mention where the funding will go. Moreover, the book is being revised and updated. I would suggest that almost all the new research would be done through the Internet.  Anyway, good luck to him if he reaches his target and I hope he does as I would love to get a revised and updated edition.<br
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id="quote-reply-14896" style="display: none;">mcs5150</span><a
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id='q-14900'><p>If you guys have questions, there&#8217;s a &#8220;Ask A Question&#8221; link on the <a
href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1304153277/the-van-halen-encyclopedia">KickStarter page</a>.  Drop him a line.  Remember, CJ is one of us, just another fan, not some two-bit hack over at Rolling Stone.  You can also contact him here:<br
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href="http://cjchilvers.wufoo.com/forms/contact/" rel="nofollow">http://cjchilvers.wufoo.com/forms/contact/</a><br
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id='q-14902'><p>Thanks for that Ron. I sent him a message asking for a greater explanation on why he needs $25,000 to fund the book.<br
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id='q-14967'><p>I heard back from CJ. He basically says he needs the money for printing and shipping, and to basically justify the time it will take to do the project.<br
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id='q-14996'><p>The sad thing about KickStarter is that unless he gets $25k or more in donations, he gets $0.00 and all donations revert to the donor.  It&#8217;s all or nothing.  He&#8217;s gonna have to get some good traction in order to reach the goal I think.<br
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id="quote-reply-14996" style="display: none;">ron</span><a
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id='q-14997'><p>I would not be surprised if the $25,000 target is putting people off contributing as they have the belief that the figure would not be reached. Raising $25,000 in 30 days is a tough task. I honestly think he would have had better success by making the third edition an e-book. You instantly eliminate printing and shipping costs and even selling something like 1000 copies at $10 each would result in him turning a nice profit. Anyway, time will tell.<br
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id='q-15365'><p><a
href="http://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-encyclopedia-author-plans-new-hardcover-edition/" rel="nofollow">http://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-encyclopedia-author-plans-new-hardcover-edition/</a></p><p>&#8216;Van Halen Encyclopedia&#8217; Author Plans New Hardcover Edition<br
/> by: Matthew Wilkening</p><p>The &#8216;Van Halen Encyclopedia&#8217; is a treasure trove of information on one of hard rock&#8217;s most legendary bands. Heaven knows we&#8217;ve quoted from it more than a few times. Now, author C.J. Chilvers is seeking to release a new hardcover edition of the book &#8212; with your help.</p><p>Chilvers has started a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for the new edition of the book, which may add as many as 30 pages to the already-massive 320 included on the most recent version. A $10 pledge gets you a pdf version of the new book, with $25 earning you a hardcover copy.</p><p>As for what motivated him to create a new edition, Chilvers tells us, &#8220;It&#8217;s really about the amount of secrets that have been sent to me in the last decade. It&#8217;s too much to keep to myself. Everyone seemed to love the design and feel of the first edition hardcover, so I wanted to bring back that level of quality. But books are much more expensive to produce now and thousands of people have the 1999 edition, so it&#8217;s a matter of determining the level of interest out there.&#8221;</p><p>All eras of the band, and all solo projects will be featured: &#8220;I&#8217;ve never played favorites with singers or side projects. I&#8217;m a guitar player, so I&#8217;ve always gathered information with a bias towards the music, not towards the politics of vocalists. You&#8217;ll find exhaustive information on Dave, Sammy, Gary and every side project, no matter how brief.&#8221;</p><p>That includes, of course, information on the band&#8217;s new album, &#8216;A Different Kind of Truth.&#8217; Chilvers&#8217; main goal seems to be to set the record straight about the band&#8217;s history. &#8220;What always surprises me is the amount of misinformation that gets out there. Sometimes it&#8217;s the band themselves &#8212; I&#8217;ve found a few mistakes &#8212; or maybe mis-remembered stories &#8212; from their latest video interviews &#8212; that don&#8217;t line up with the facts I&#8217;ve gathered. But sometimes, it&#8217;s just blatant, self-serving stories that contradict eyewitnesses from people who wish history had gone a different way (coughs) Gene Simmons (coughs).&#8221;</p><hr
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id="quote-reply-15365" style="display: none;">ron</span><a
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id='q-15384'><p>$25 for a hardcover edition&#8230;.I&#8217;m down with that.<br
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