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September 5, 2013 at 10:41 pm Quote #29531

jroundy
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guitard: You don’t have to be a trader to amass a huge collection of boot CDs and DVDs.There are many people in this hobby who only collect – mostly through torrenting.They are “collectors” – not “traders.”

Paying someone $15-$20 and then having to wait for them to mail you a DVD-R is actually more work than making a few clicks at a torrent site and having the show sitting on your harddrive a few hours later.This is especially true if you factor in the amount of work the average person has to do to earn $15-20.

IMO learning how to download a torrent and burn it to DVD is about as complicated as learning how to use a Microsoft office application (Word, for example).Most people who know how to use a computer, have learned how to use Microsoft Word.Many of them learned on their own.

Having said all this, there are still a lot of people who for whatever reason – choose to buy instead of download.

I am a collector…. not a trader. I only collect Van Halen and David Lee Roth. Everything else I’m not really interested in. Before I discovered torrent sites, I wasn’t even a collector. I had no idea there was so much Van Halen material out there. Back in late ’07, I was downloading every VH, and DLR torrent that someone was willing to seed.

As far as downloading shows, there still seems to be many here that won’t even do that.

I don’t think that people who buy bootlegs now, are collectors. I think they are more casual fans, that might want a souvenir of a show they attended. Or since the band hasn’t released an official DVD, they buy a bootleg, since there is no alternative.

If you wanted only one show, from one tour, I get why someone would buy the show. It’s just easier then learning how to download a torrent.

Regardless, it sucks that people sell something that was meant to be free, but the genie is out of the bottle.


The poor folks play for keeps down here…They’re the living dead. Nobody rules these streets at night like Van Halen!!


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September 5, 2013 at 11:23 pm Quote #29532

frankm
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As long as there are people willing to buy there will be people willing to sell. There ain’t nuthin that can be done about that. No matter how simple it is, there will always be someone who will think buying is easier than downloading or trading. You can only do what you can do and you shouldn’t worry about the rest. Just my humble opinion.


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September 5, 2013 at 11:53 pm Quote #29533

videoman320
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jroundy why do you say its meant to be free? A concert is not meant to be free.


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September 5, 2013 at 11:58 pm Quote #29534

Revo11
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You’re not buying a concert, you’re buying a bootleg.

videoman320: jroundy why do you say its meant to be free? A concert is not meant to be free.


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September 5, 2013 at 11:59 pm Quote #29535

videoman320
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Revo11: You’re not buying a concert, you’re buying a bootleg.

Ok so then why should the bootleg be free?


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September 6, 2013 at 6:51 am Quote #29537

sickman
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videoman320: Ok so then why should the bootleg be free?

I get where he’s coming from I think. The bootleg should be free if the person who filmed it intended it to be free. If NYCBC wants to sell what they film that is their choice, but to download something from a torrent site that was put out there to be shared for free and turn around and sell it for the same price as a show they filmed and have money vested in is wrong IMO.


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September 6, 2013 at 9:28 am Quote #29541

videoman320
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sickman: I get where he’s coming from I think. The bootleg should be free if the person who filmed it intended it to be free. If NYCBC wants to sell what they film that is their choice, but to download something from a torrent site that was put out there to be shared for free and turn around and sell it for the same price as a show they filmed and have money vested in is wrong IMO.

I agree with you 100%!


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September 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm Quote #29545

thismusicsux
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jroundy: I am a collector…. not a trader.I only collect Van Halen and David Lee Roth.Everything else I’m not really interested in.Before I discovered torrent sites, I wasn’t even a collector.I had no idea there was so much Van Halen material out there.Back in late ’07, I was downloading every VH, and DLR torrent that someone was willing to seed.
As far as downloading shows, there still seems to be many here that won’t even do that.
I don’t think that people who buy bootlegs now, are collectors.I think they are more casual fans, that might want a souvenir of a show they attended.Or since the band hasn’t released an official DVD, they buy a bootleg, since there is no alternative.
If you wanted only one show, from one tour, I get why someone would buy the show.It’s just easier then learning how to download a torrent.
Regardless, it sucks that people sell something that was meant to be free, but the genie is out of the bottle.

Yeah I agree. I only collect VH and am fine with getting torrents. But can see where some may not know or want to deal with it.
The casual fan (or mega-fan) that just wants a Van Halen DVD — but can’t buy anywhere else officially.
Fans paying isn’t the big problem…it’s these sites that offer and sell the bootlegs that they’ve obtained for free mostly likely. Making profit off it. Now it seems they are selling a nicely packaged version with the bootleg artwork / dvd / etc. So that is worth something for parts/labor. I’d say $4-$5 bucks to buy any of these bootlegs would be reasonable. No profit, just cost.


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September 6, 2013 at 2:42 pm Quote #29547

videoman320
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What I wish would really happen is this. The music industry in this country has no freaking clue what the public wants and will pay for. How much live concert coverage do we get in the USA. Shit! For decades Japan and Europe have had festivals and concerts live or delayed on tv. What makes it worse is most of them are bands from the U.S! For some reason the suits have always been against live music. Most live dvd releases are imports here in the U.S. More groups should allow taping like Van Halen did. That was outstanding especially for fans who could not make it to a show. Also instead of stopping people like NYCBC hire them! Let them sell and give the artist a cut. Heck a lot of their multicams were better than some cheaply done pro shots. I’ve always said bootlegs have had a huge impact on keeping a fan base for the older groups. And I think now even some of the grouops would agree.


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September 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm Quote #29548

videoman320
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videoman320: What I wish would really happen is this. The music industry in this country has no freaking clue what the public wants and will pay for. How much live concert coverage do we get in the USA. Shit!For decades Japan and Europe have had festivals and concerts live or delayed on tv. What makes it worse is most of them are bands from the U.S! For some reason the suits have always been against live music. Most live dvd releases are imports here in the U.S. More groups should allow taping like Van Halen did. That was outstanding especially for fans who could not make it to a show. Also instead of stopping people like NYCBC hire them! Let them sell and give the artist a cut. Heck a lot of their multicams were better than some cheaply done pro shots. I’ve always said bootlegs have had a huge impact on keeping a fan base for the older groups. And I think now even some of the grouops would agree.

It reminds me of the old ower of the Blackhawks theory on not showing home games on tv. Fear it will hurt attendence and not fair to the ticket buyer. Well since he’s gone every game is on tv thanks to his son and you can’t get a seat at The United Center. Its all about the product. I have a ton of bootlegs but I still love to go see my favorites live. And so do most other fans.


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September 6, 2013 at 3:14 pm Quote #29551

gatomike26
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videoman320: It reminds me of the old ower of the Blackhawks theory on not showing home games on tv. Fear it will hurt attendence and not fair to the ticket buyer. Well since he’s gone every game is on tv thanks to his son and you can’t get a seat at The United Center. Its all about the product. I have a ton of bootlegs but I still love to go see my favorites live. And so do most other fans.

Concerts are very expensive now I’m in my mid 30s and have a family and work a non 9 to 5 job.I work on weekends and nights.So I really have to decided who I wana see in concert.I can not go to shows like I did in the early 2000s and 90s when I had no other responsabilites I just don’t make that kind of money.I still go to 5 or more a year though.I look at setlists or bootlegs most of the time to determine if I’m gonna go if its something I’m on the fence about.A good example would be Roger Waters I saw a few bootlegs and it was so great I went.Not sure I would of spent the money without watching those shows.I got a good deal on the ticket in the parking lot but it still was like 160 for 14th row at Anaheim a few years ago.

Other times bands I love like Iron Maiden who I’m going to next Friday if they play a show of almost all new songs and the 5 old songs they play every tour I will skip the show and just watch the bootleg.

Because not only when I go to a show that is expensive I might be missing a night of work if it’s a show my wife does not like then I have to run it buy her.She never tells me no cause it’s my money cause I’m working only but then when she asks me for something down the line I don’t feel like buying it makes it harder to say no or if money is tight then it makes it hard to go.So bootlegs come in handy so you can still enjoy shows you can’t go to live or enjoy watching but are not gonna spend that kind of money on.

I bought my first bootlegs in the early 90s use to buy them at record stores they were 20 bucks or more a pop sometimes.Then I started trading at some point would collect on and off through the years and bough off the internet in the late 90s and early 2000s a handfull of times.Since I found sites like these over five years ago I have been torrenting and trading like crazy.I understand why people purchase them but when somethings free that I don’t need there is no reason I would buy them.

But I don’t get worked up if people sell them or buy them.I just think it sucks when guys film a show spend lots of time authoring it and putting it togeather and share it on a site like dime and people are selling it.


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September 6, 2013 at 9:08 pm Quote #29557

cobohall76
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My Ted Nugent, Y&T and Queensryche shows that I shot this year and my buddy did the DAT for wound up on a bootleg site.


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September 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm Quote #29558

cobohall76
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September 6, 2013 at 9:44 pm Quote #29559

JasonA
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September 6, 2013 at 11:20 pm Quote #29565

guitard
(7354)

videoman320: Also instead of stopping people like NYCBC hire them! Let them sell and give the artist a cut.


The member of NYCBC that I’m friends with also does professional, payed live video shoots.


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