Simmons: Why I Stopped Eddie Van Halen Joining Kiss

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May 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm Quote #25707


May 21, 2013 at 8:39 am
‘I warned him in the beginning’: Kiss’ Gene Simmons predicted trouble for Van Halen, David Lee Roth
by Something Else!

Gene Simmons confirms that Eddie Van Halen, frustrated over his relationship with David Lee Roth, approached him about joining Kiss in the early 1980s. The timing was right, too, as Simmons and Co. were working without a guitarist on Creatures of the Night.

But Simmons, in a video Q&A below, adds that he strongly advised him to stay with Van Halen, anyway: “I’m proud to say, he got over it. He stayed there, we stayed here; we’re happy, they’re happy, everybody’s happy.”

Simmons, of course, had financed and produced Van Halen’s first demos in 1976, and even then he says he cautioned Van Halen about the possibility of bad end with the flamboyant Roth. “Eddie was very uphappy with Roth,” Simmons says, “just like I warned him in the beginning, respectfully.”

Kiss was in sessions for 1982′s Creatures, which featured Ace Frehley on the cover though the founding guitarist had been replaced by a group that included Vinnie Vincent (who would stay with Kiss through 1984, and then contribute to 1992′s Revenge), as well as Robben Ford, Bob Kulick and Steve Farris.

“We had different guys playing because we hadn’t yet settled on who was going to play lead,” Simmons says. “Eddie called me, and we had lunch right across the street (from the Record Plant, where recording was underway). We sat around a lunch table, and Eddie was really upset: ‘Roth is out of his mind; he’s driving me crazy,’ all this kind of stuff and ‘I want to join the band.’”

Simmons response: “Let’s not go too fast.” Bands, he says, are like any other relationship. They go through difficult periods. Besides, Simmons was certain that Van Halen wasn’t right for the Frehley role.

“It’s your band,” Simmons says he told Van Halen. “There are always going to be rough times. You’ll get over it. You don’t want to be in Kiss, because you’re not going to be happy. You’re not going to want Paul and Gene to be writing songs, and telling you to play a solo over here. You want to stretch out, and be who you are.”

Van Halen returned to the fold, and the group emerged with its first-ever No. 1 hit, 1984′s “Jump,” through they did split with Roth not long after. Van Halen reunited with its original lead singer last year, however, for the well-received Different Kind of Truth. Kiss, meanwhile, continues these days with Tommy Thayer on guitar.

May 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm Quote #25713


Yes, and Gene also invented the internet too :roll:

August 7, 2013 at 10:50 am Quote #28804


Gene Simmons & Paul Stanley Open Up In the New Issue of Classic Rock Magazine, We Discuss
Michael Brandvold
Published on Aug 6, 2013

Three Sides of the Coin is a KISS talk show featuring Michael Brandvold, Mitch Lafon and Tommy Sommers.

In episode 35, August 6, 2013, we discuss the latest issue of Classic Rock Magazine. In a article about the 40th anniversary of KISS Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley really open on their personal feelings about the solo albums, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, the 80s, Eddie Van Halen and more!

[Jump to the 9 minute mark for the start of the discussion - runs about 10 mins]

August 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm Quote #28807


Given everything we’ve seen and heard, I actually don’t doubt it. Yea, Gene has an ego the size of Jupiter but Eddie was unhappy with Roth. There was the 1982 guitar player interview with Eddie where Eddie complained about Roth. Plus in the early 80s Eddie was drunk and using substances. Ed and Gene knew each other and as much as it doesn’t make sense, you can’t argue that Ed hasn’t made bad decisions. I could see Eddie saying I want out, even if that doesn’t make sense.

August 7, 2013 at 7:02 pm Quote #28814


I can see Ed being drunk, and complaining about Roth, and say something like “Maybe I should just join KISS”, as an off-handed comment, with no real meaning behind it.

If Ed was having problems with Roth telling him what to do, I don’t think having Gene tell you what to do would be any improvement…. probably much worse.

Besides, I don’t see Ed ever leaving Alex behind. Ed would want to write music, and it wouldn’t sound anything like KISS. It would never have worked.

The poor folks play for keeps down here…They’re the living dead. Nobody rules these streets at night like Van Halen!!


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