drjazz(71) | Looks reasonable, but something is wrong here. I don’t see evh tapping and then 2 months later reverting to an older solo. Doesn’t make sense, one of those dates must be wrong.
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wjamflan(1089) | drjazz: Looks reasonable, but something is wrong here. I don’t see evh tapping and then 2 months later reverting to an older solo. Doesn’t make sense, one of those dates must be wrong.
He didn’t revert. He just left out the tapping part after 6/10 until the album was in the can. You hear him tap again at the Pasadena Civic (10/15/77)
“This hamburger don’t need no helper.” – DLR 5/17/15
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drjazz(71) | wjamflan: He didn’t revert. He just left out the tapping part after 6/10 until the album was in the can. You hear him tap again at the Pasadena Civic (10/15/77)
Had a chance to give atomic punk and eruption a good listen from both of those shows. Haven’t done so in years. I did indeed hear what appears to be evolution in atomic punk, but not much. I still wasn’t convinced, they played things randomly in those days, who knows which version they’d stick to. The Pasadena version was so raw a killer though, wish we had it in higher quality. I will search for that. Then I listened to eruption without the tapping and he did revert back to his 76 ending, not convinced, but the drum intro was there and the hits were polished. And then….. to my surprise…..YOU CAN CLEARLY HEAR A CUT IN THE TAPE RIGHT WHERE THE TAPPING SEQURNCE IS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN AND IT JUMPS TO HIS 76 ENDING! you then had me convinced. Its not that he didn’t play it, it was clearly cut. This brings other questions. Was the tape cut for a reason? Makes sense because eddie was paranoid about people knowing of his technique until they were signed, its probably likely the band knew the recorder. Maybe just coincidence? Who knows? Also, the songs are so much more polished in the magic Mt show that I believe the Warner demos had already been recorded during this performance, or at least being recorded. The only thing that I’m still not convinced about are all these dates. The timeline seems accurate, but its all circumstantial evidence, and eye witness testimony. So remind me, why is the magic Mt show not in October? It seems that the band had been polished by an outside party at this point. Or… were the warner demos recorded earlier?
August perhaps? WE NEED MORE OF THESE CLUB SHOWS to see evolution ! They’re dark sounding, that’s why I think FW best captures their sound.
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wjamflan(1089) | drjazz: So remind me, why is the magic Mt show not in October? It seems that the band had been polished by an outside party at this point. Or… were the warner demos recorded earlier? August perhaps?
You are going to get alot of answers soon enough in Greg’s book, so I’ll keep it simple. Listen to ATBL. At Magic Mountain it’s in it’s embryonic stage, arrangement-wise – clearly not the final arrangement you hear in October at the Civic. I’m not letting the cat out of the bag to say that the album was recorded before the Civic show, so MM was recorded before that, hence the August date making sense. Also, ATBL and Loss of Control were written after the demos were recorded, and most likely around the time of this:
The ATOMIC PUNKS: Van Halen’s 1977 Sunset Strip Caper If you are really interested in all of this early VH info, you might want to start following Greg’s blog and reserve a copy of his book. It will be an eye opener for you. 
“This hamburger don’t need no helper.” – DLR 5/17/15
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drjazz(71) | wjamflan: Also, ATBL and Loss of Control were written after the demos were recorded, and most likely around the time of this: The ATOMIC PUNKS: Van Halen’s 1977 Sunset Strip Caper
Thought so. That means those demos could’ve been recorded as early as June, most likely july. Which means that whisky supposed 6/10 show could be the show templemen was at. I knew all the dates were wrong. Look for a pm, been out of this for 10years now, its cool to see something new.
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drjazz(71) | wjamflan: You are going to get alot of answers soon enough in Greg’s book, so I’ll keep it simple. Listen to ATBL. At Magic Mountain it’s in it’s embryonic stage, arrangement-wise – clearly not the final arrangement you hear in October at the Civic. I’m not letting the cat out of the bag to say that the album was recorded before the Civic show, so MM was recorded before that, hence the August date making sense. Also, ATBL and Loss of Control were written after the demos were recorded, and most likely around the time of this: The ATOMIC PUNKS: Van Halen’s 1977 Sunset Strip Caper
If you are really interested in all of this early VH info, you might want to start following Greg’s blog and reserve a copy of his book. It will be an eye opener for you.
Send me a pm if you will, my tablet doesn’t do so well with drop down menus.
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ks34vh(2126) | I always thought of this being an outdoor gig
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ffoner(1085) | Here’s what’s forthcoming in VHR – the entire timeline for 1977: Signing of VH, WB Demo, making of VH 1. In addition, Bill’s right, I will lay out the evolution of EVH’s tapping. Something else – and this is important – the recording that circulates as 5/9/76, the Golden West gig with UFO, isn’t from that night. I know this because that night, VH played all originals and 1 cover song, not a whole bunch of covers. This gig was key in the band’s evolution to a band that would make it or break it on their own music. In VHR, big chunk of one chapter on that UFO gig.
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guitard(7354) | ffoner: Something else – and this is important – the recording that circulates as 5/9/76, the Golden West gig with UFO, isn’t from that night. I know this because that night, VH played all originals and 1 cover song, not a whole bunch of covers. This gig was key in the band’s evolution to a band that would make it or break it on their own music. In VHR, big chunk of one chapter on that UFO gig.
In 2003, I discovered that the Michael Schenker Group was essentially being duped by a promoter in Korea. I won’t bore you with all the details behind that story, except to say I contacted MSG’s management, the gig was called off, and the band was saved from having to cover the costs of shipping equipment, plane tickets, etc. for what was to be a one-off gig in Korea. The next year, I went to see MSG perform in the States. After the show, I was chatting with Wayne Findlay (guitar and keyboards for MSG) and mentioned the Korea gig that never was and how I contacted management, etc. He got kind of excited and got some of the other band members and told them, “This is the guy who saved us from that bogus gig in Korea!” They bought me a few drinks at the bar and after Michael was done signing merchandise at the merch stand, they introduced me to Michael, and even he happily shook my hand and thanked me and gave me a signed t-shirt and hat. Wayne is still in the band and ever since then, has always offered me free tickets whenever I let him know that I plan to attend a show. So what the hell does any of this have to do with Van Halen?? Well … I have always wondered what Michael thought of Ed and Ed’s playing from back in the day when UFO and VH played at the same shows. A few years ago, I asked Wayne if he would ask Michael about this. Wayne said he wouldn’t see Michael until a few months later when they would be getting ready to tour South America. Wayne asked me to email him again in a few months to remind him. So now that I have all of you sitting on the edge of your chairs in anticipation of a cool story … I have to say … sorry. I completely forgot about emailing Wayne. I need to follow up on this and ask again though, because it would be cool to hear what Michael has to say.
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Chris UK(2998) | Anyone remember the British Guitar Heroes magazine series back in the early to mid 80s made by the same people that did Kerrang? Obviously its a long time ago and I dont have my copies anymore but I seem to remember that Michael listed Ed as one of his “other guitarists that you admire”.
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