Van Halen manager Irving Azoff piles pressure on YouTube

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May 11, 2016 at 9:22 am Quote #53289


Van Halen manager Irving Azoff piles pressure on YouTube
News / 1 day ago / by Stef Lach

Manager to some of the biggest acts in the world says YouTube hides behind legislation to make money

Van Halen manager Irving Azoff has called on YouTube to come up with a fairer deal for musicians.

Azoff — who also manages Thirty Seconds To Mars, Steely Dan and Christina Aguilera, among others — has penned an open letter to the video and music streaming site on Recode’s website.

Dear YouTube: An open letter from Irving Azoff
“You have built a business that works really well for you and for Google, but it doesn’t work well for artists,” says the legendary artists’ manager.
by Irving Azoff May 9, 2016, 6:00a

Dear YouTube,

Your attempt at “Setting the Record Straight” through a post on your “creator blog” last month did exactly the opposite: It was obfuscation to divert artists’ attention from the fact that YouTube hides behind the DMCA’s “safe harbor” provision and pays artists a pittance.

You say that music matters to YouTube. There is an old adage about actions and words. If YouTube valued music, then it would allow artists to have the same control which YouTube grants to itself. YouTube has created original programming. Those programs sit behind a “paid wall” and are not accessible for free unless YouTube decides to make them available that way. If a fan wants to watch the YouTube series “Sister-Zoned,” that fan has to subscribe to YouTube Red for $9.99 a month. But the same does not apply to music.

If music matters to YouTube, then why not give musicians the same choice you give yourselves? Taylor Swift should be able to decide which of her songs are available for free and which are part of a paid subscription service. Or she should be able to opt out of YouTube if you won’t give her this choice.

But artists can’t opt out of YouTube. Because of the outdated Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the only way for an artist to keep a song off YouTube is for that artist to send YouTube a notice every time that song is uploaded by a different user. It is impossible. The Content ID system that you flaunt is meaningless when YouTube continues to hide behind the “safe harbor” provisions of the DMCA. If YouTube cares about copyright management then join the music business in its efforts to reform the DMCA. Or, better yet, you could really prove your love for music by not allowing music on to YouTube unless you ask the creators of that song for permission.

I know realistically you won’t voluntarily agree to take on the task of asking artists for their permission. So, if you are going to continue to force artists to notify you when an infringing song is on YouTube, once an artist tells you that she wants her song taken off YouTube, you should keep it off. When the artist sends a “take down,” it should be a “stay down.”

Before you tell me that you can’t control what is uploaded to YouTube, let me say it seems clear that YouTube can control the content on its platform when it wants to do so: It controls its own series programming, and it limits offensive content like pornography. It certainly monitors what people are listening to on YouTube and provides that information to advertisers.

But when it comes to music, YouTube claims it has no control and can’t keep a song off its platform. You exercise control over content when it is good for your business. But the truth is that, from the beginning, free music consumption drove YouTube’s business, and so YouTube chose not to give artists control over how their music reaches their fans.

You state with apparent pride that you have licenses with labels, publishers and PROs. But don’t confuse deals made out of desperation with marketplace deals made by willing participants. YouTube has benefitted from the unfair advantage which safe harbors gives you: Labels can take the deals you offer or engage in an impossible, expensive game of “whack a mole,” while the music they control is still being exploited without any compensation. Spotify and Apple don’t have that advantage, and this is why they are better partners to music creators.

In your post, you say it isn’t fair for an artist to compare what they make from Spotify to what they make on YouTube because they are different services. From a fan and artist perspective, they provide the same service — on-demand, streaming music. It is true that YouTube has a different business model, but that was not the artist’s decision. It was YouTube that decided to invest in an ad-supported platform. If an ad-supported streaming service doesn’t generate enough revenue for YouTube to pay artists at rates which are comparable to Spotify or Apple, then maybe it isn’t a good business?

If you want YouTube to be compared to terrestrial radio, then you have to be a good partner to artists like radio is. Radio works with artists so they can present music to their fans in the way they intended. Radio does not provide unlimited, on-demand access to music which can be shared. Radio doesn’t leak music, and it doesn’t make unfinished or poor-quality live recordings available. It’s about creative control.

You say you want transparency, and I agree that labels and publishers have not traditionally been the best at that. Two wrongs don’t make a right. You need to be transparent, too. Be transparent about your ability to keep illegal music off your platform. Be transparent about your ability to keep your own content behind a paid wall. Be transparent about your revenue and, when paying artists, include all the revenue that is generated by music including advertising on YouTube’s home page. If you do this, I pledge to you that I will pressure the labels and publishers to pass on that transparency and increased revenue to the artists.

YouTube, ask yourself this question: If you are paying so well and providing such a great service to artists, then why is there discord between you and the creative community? You can blame the labels and publishers — or the “middle men,” as you call them. I know how easy it is to take shots at record companies and publishers — I have been doing it for years. But the root of the problem here is you: You have built a business that works really well for you and for Google, but it doesn’t work well for artists. If you think it is just the labels and publishers who are complaining, you are wrong. The music community is traditionally a very fractured one, but on this we are united.

– Irving Azoff


Irving Azoff is an American personal manager representing artists such as Christina Aguilera, the Eagles, Van Halen, Thirty Seconds to Mars, Steely Dan, Chelsea Handler and Lindsey Buckingham as chairman and CEO of Azoff MSG Entertainment. In September 2013, Azoff Music Management unveiled a new venture with the Madison Square Garden Co. to form Azoff MSG Entertainment (AMSGE), encompassing Azoff’s personal management business, publishing, digital media and television production. Previously, he served as chairman and CEO of Ticketmaster Entertainment and executive chairman of Live Nation Entertainment and CEO of Front Line Management. He serves on the boards of iHeartCommunications Inc. and Starz LLC. Reach him @irvingazoff.

May 11, 2016 at 12:10 pm Quote #53290


I doubt he’ll get any sympathy at all… I also don’t like that they feature VH in the title.. not really good fan-friendly press.

Resident dickhead. I will hurt your delicate feelings.

May 11, 2016 at 12:29 pm Quote #53291


VAiN: I doubt he’ll get any sympathy at all… I also don’t like that they feature VH in the title.. not really good fan-friendly press.

That was only one of the stories that are reporting the same thing. Other headlines being used for the story are:

-Noted music artist manager says YouTube pays artists a pittance, doesn’t value music
-YouTube Should Let Musicians Opt-Out, Manager Says
-Musicians should be able to opt out of YouTube, Irving Azoff says
-One Of The Most Successful Music Managers Ever Just Blasted YouTube
-Irving Azoff lays into YouTube’s key arguments in ongoing safe harbours battle
-Irving Azoff claims YouTube is “the root of the problem”

May 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm Quote #53292


Well, somehow Prince was able to keep his music off youtube, including fan filmed footage. In 2013 i tried to upload a video from the show I was at and youtube never let it go. It finished uploading and was immediately pulled. However Prince was able to do it I have no idea but you would think if artists are really all that concerned than they would follow that example.
I read an interview the other day with Rob Zombie where he said he really doesn’t care how you get his music, he just likes creating it and as long as people keep buying concert tickets than he’s doing something right. His latest album is expected to sell 35,000 copies in the US.
It seems the record biz and the Porn biz would both be equally as hurt by the internet and streaming. With so many free porntube sites I can’t understand why anyone would ever purchase it. The same can almost be said for music with the exception being that I am sure there are more people willing to buy the actual cd of a band you really like compared to a dvd of a porn movie.

May 11, 2016 at 3:11 pm Quote #53293


No sympathy from me. No one cared 30 years ago when I would buy a CD for only one song I liked.

Get busy living or get busy dyin

May 11, 2016 at 3:14 pm Quote #53294


sickman: I am sure there are more people willing to buy the actual cd of a band you really like compared to a dvd of a porn movie.

Speak for yourself, sir!

May 12, 2016 at 3:48 am Quote #53296


I LOVE this stuff!
The paradigm has shifted and Pandora’s box has already been opened.
Prince got it right LONG before any of this ever happened.
Here’s some great videos and brain candy for all of us to chew on and pontificate.
The link is for the documentary “Downloaded”, the story of Napster’s rise and fall.—full-documentary-film-517844258


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