Assembling a series of VH collections and have questions

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September 30, 2014 at 12:20 am Quote #39192

Panamaniac
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I’m assembling compilations of live recordings for every Van Halen tour up to 1998 and in the spirit of preserving taper/trader etiquette, I’d like to ask the tapers if it’s ok with them I use their recording(s) for the compilations. My issue is many of the sources I’m using don’t list the taper and/or in many instances where a taper is listed, it is done so only using initials. For example, for the following show: 1978.05.10 – Theatre Mogador – Paris, FRA [AUD MASTER], the notes list the taper as “PM”; I don’t know who this is nor how to get in touch to ask their blessing. As I understand it, some tapers are actually on this site. So I’m reaching out to anyone here if they know who may have been the taper for the shows listed below and an appropriate way to contact them.
Another question I have is about using text in the artwork. I’ll probably need to remove these parts of the book layouts due to copyrights, but was wondering if anyone knows how to ask for permission to use excerpts from “The Van Halen Encyclopedia” and “The Van Halen Saga”.
So far I only have the 1978 tour collection assembled and I’m using these shows:
May 28, 1978: Ipswich Gaumont – Ipswich, England
May 21, 1978: Newcastle City Hall – Newcastle, England
May 22, 1978: Manchester Apollo – Manchester, England
June 1, 1978: Hammersmith Odeon – London, England
June 19, 1978: Koseinenkin Hall – Tokyo, Japan
June 24, 1978: Nagoya-Shi Kokaido – Nagoya, Japan
September 23, 1978: Anaheim Stadium – Anaheim, California
May 23, 1978: Victoria Hall – Hanley, England
June 17, 1978: Shinjuk Hall – Tokyo, Japan
October 14, 1978: Friedrich-Ebert Halle – Ludwigshafen, West Germany
May 10, 1978: Théâtre Mogador – Paris, France
June 22, 1978: Sun Plaza – Tokyo, Japan
June 27, 1978: Koseinenkin Hall – Osaka, Japan
May 26, 1978: Bristol Hippodrome – Bristol, England
May 6, 1978: Paradiso – Amsterdam, Holland
April 28, 1978: The Palladium – New York City, New York
August 29, 1978: The Spectrum – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
August.6, 1978: Oklahoma Jam [Oklahoma City Fairgrounds - Oklahoma City, OK]
September 22, 1978: Selland Arena – Fresno, CA


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September 30, 2014 at 12:39 am Quote #39194

thismusicsux
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this project sounds sweet, can’t wait to see it.
some here will know better about etiquette/credit

I believe (single-8) was directly involved with Fresno 78 and Oklahoma 78


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September 30, 2014 at 2:39 am Quote #39195

Decatone
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If it’s for yourself I don’t see any need for permissions but if you intend to share, then maybe it’s worth trying to contact people for the best part although those shows are sometime back.
The thing I don’t get, for what is a good idea, is what’s different to the way most have these on individual discs in date order? plus I know file moving is a lot easier now than the old disc days, but trying to up/down load the 78 tour!!! The other thing to bear in mind is that only the best version of each show gets saved going forward, that to me is the biggest thing to insure.


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September 30, 2014 at 3:54 am Quote #39196

Panamaniac
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Decatone: If it’s for yourself I don’t see any need for permissions but if you intend to share, then maybe it’s worth trying to contact people for the best part although those shows are sometime back. The thing I don’t get, for what is a good idea, is what’s different to the way most have these on individual discs in date order? plus I know file moving is a lot easier now than the old disc days, but trying to up/down load the 78 tour!!! The other thing to bear in mind is that only the best version of each show gets saved going forward, that to me is the biggest thing to insure.

This is a series of collections I’ve been thinking about for some time now and definitely want to be able to share it . This collection will be similar to “Reunion” from Mean Street Studios in a few respects but different in many others. To summarize the criteria for these collections:
• Every tour from 1978 to 1998 (God willing) will each be represented on two discs
• To provide the most expansive possible representation and historical perspective of each tour, every song VH performed live on each tour (including the rare one-offs like “Lucille”) will be included and:
- sourced from a different date and venue (except in those places where it’s almost impossible to separate songs so they sound like they are from one show, i.e. 1979 tour “Somebody Get Me a Doctor-Drum Solo)
- sequentially positioned in the same order they were played on said tour (of course there will be a little play here given set lists changed during some tours)
- will have as indiscernible song transitions as I can achieve through crossfading so as to simulate one all-encompassing show
• Songs will be chosen according to “uniqueness factor”: of course I want good sounding recordings but the clarity of a recording or how tight the band sounds on a particular song does not necessarily take precedence over maybe an inferior-sounding version where something unique happens in it like perhaps the band doing a special one-time only intro to a song, i.e. the “On Fire” intro to the 1981.08.25 Greensboro show; now THAT’S a cool version for that song on the 1981 tour
• The beginning of the first song of the first disc will contain a band introduction (“i give you the mighty Van Halen!”)
• Cool/unique crowd noises for all encores included, so long as they are identically sourced with either the preceding or ensuing song
• Any Dave banter that is unique will be included, so long as it is identically sourced with either the preceding or ensuing song
• Each collection will contain a 24 page booklet of artwork artwork and tour discussion in a manner that mimics an old school tour book; I fear, however the tour discussion pages may need to be omitted as they are currently sourced from copyrighted material (The Van Halen Encyclopedia, The Van Halen Saga); maybe someone can help me with that

To my point about the uniqueness factor, the “Disco Sucks” chant the crowd does during the L.A. and Edmonton shows are about as unique as unique goes but the sound quality of “Ain’t Talkin’ Bout Love” for both of those shows sucks hard so I’ll have to decide whether or not to use one of them; we do want to preserve some bar of fidelity for the actual song after all.

So that is “what’s different to the way most have these have on individual discs in order.” This is a project that puts the listener into one all-encompassing performance that hopefully will accurately represent the most expansive compiled show for any given tour. I have a good number of shows to choose songs from but when I do finally share my first project (1978), I want it (and the others) to be a living and breathing omnibus that can change with suggestions from others on this site, given this is the gold standard for Van Halen fans.


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September 30, 2014 at 4:07 am Quote #39197

Panamaniac
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And I know it goes without saying, but please don’t pull this idea and unilaterally make one of your own using my criteria since I’ve put it out there for suggestions (most definitely NOT referring to you Decatone or anyone else specifically); I’m very interested in collaborating with anyone with ideas to make this the best collection possible for the Van Halen community to enjoy together.


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September 30, 2014 at 6:06 am Quote #39200

Decatone
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Panamaniac: And I know it goes without saying, but please don’t pull this idea and unilaterally make one of your own using my criteria since I’ve put it out there for suggestions (most definitely NOT referring to you Decatone or anyone else specifically); I’m very interested in collaborating with anyone with ideas to make this the best collection possible for the Van Halen community to enjoy together.

No Worries mate, I understand what you are doing now. I personally like to listen to my shows as a whole, it just feels right that way to me … but I wish you all the best with it.


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September 30, 2014 at 8:08 am Quote #39201

ron
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Since you started a duplicate topic in a different forum, I’m guessing you cannot see the Trade Chat forum where you first posted? http://www.vhtrading.com/topic/assembling-van-halen-live-compilations-and-have-questions

But as to your quest…. Back in the late ’90s and early 2000′s, a group of VH fans got together on a project just like this. The goal was to figure out which songs from all the live recordings were the best versions of those songs, and then produce CDs of those songs. Each of the fans would upload the tracks we thought were the best, and then the group would vote on the tracks.

While the group never really finished the project, the Reunion and Reunion II discs were created based on some of the work that group did.

Good luck with the project!


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September 30, 2014 at 10:28 am Quote #39203

single-8
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FYI anything I make available is intended for someone’s Personal collection, and not anything else ($$$, personal promotion, etc). I can’t stop anyone from doing something I dont want, but keep in mind, this is the Only place I exist in the trading world, not that it’s a big deal.
S8S


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September 30, 2014 at 12:40 pm Quote #39204

Panamaniac
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ron: Since you started a duplicate topic in a different forum, I’m guessing you cannot see the Trade Chat forum where you first posted? http://www.vhtrading.com/topic/assembling-van-halen-live-compilations-and-have-questions

But as to your quest…. Back in the late ’90s and early 2000′s, a group of VH fans got together on a project just like this.The goal was to figure out which songs from all the live recordings were the best versions of those songs, and then produce CDs of those songs.Each of the fans would upload the tracks we thought were the best, and then the group would vote on the tracks.

While the group never really finished the project, the Reunion and Reunion II discs were created based on some of the work that group did.

Good luck with the project!

Thans ron; yes, I could not see the other topic I created and was informed there is a gich there for some people; maybe the other topic should be pulled?

To your point on Reunion, I did read the background on it and it’s the inspiration for this idea but this set of collections represents the tours, each as a whole, rather than just a collection of individual songs people want to hear live again.


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September 30, 2014 at 12:48 pm Quote #39205

Panamaniac
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single-8: FYI anything I make available is intended for someone’s Personal collection, and not anything else ($$$, personal promotion, etc). I can’t stop anyone from doing something I dont want, but keep in mind, this is the Only place I exist in the trading world, not that it’s a big deal.
S8S

This collection is for the Van Halen community to share and enjoy together, not for any personal gain (promotion, $$, or otherwise); but if you don’t want me using any of your material for it, please let me know of any of the shows I listed you were involved with and I won’t include any songs from them; if memory serves, 2 of them were Oklahoma and Fresno?


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September 30, 2014 at 12:49 pm Quote #39206

ron
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Panamaniac:
To your point on Reunion, I did read the background on it and it’s the inspiration for this idea but this set of collections represents the tours, each as a whole, rather than just a collection of individual songs people want to hear live again.

I think the difference between what you have proposed and what the LiveVH group back then is that you seem to be sticking to just 1978 performances for the songs, where the LiveVH project looked at all possible recordings of a given track to find the best performance. Like you said, you are re-creating the tour performance rather than a live version of the original release. It’s an interesting idea.


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September 30, 2014 at 12:56 pm Quote #39209

Panamaniac
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ron: I think the difference between what you have proposed and what the LiveVH group back then is that you seem to be sticking to just 1978 performances for the songs, where the LiveVH project looked at all possible recordings of a given track to find the best performance.Like you said, you are re-creating the tour performance rather than a live version of the original release.It’s an interesting idea.

Yes exactly; 1978 performances only for the 78 tour; every song represented, almost all sourced differently, crossfades on song transitions, setlist in 1978 tour order; all in an attempt to get it to sound like the most single kickass show from the tour.

This would apply to a 2-disc set for the 79 tour, another set for the 80 tour, and so on into *gulp* 1998


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September 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm Quote #39216

jroundy
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Sounds like a good idea to me!! :)


The poor folks play for keeps down here…They’re the living dead. Nobody rules these streets at night like Van Halen!!


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